Take that gun away from Cheney!!

[innersanctum]

WTF?!? The VP shoots (accidentally) a hunting partner!!!! Take that gun away from him! *LMAO* I love this!

I bet King George stays home the next time Big Dick asks him to go hunting!!

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/12/cheney.ap/index.html

[CplCJ]

I can't wait to hear Leno and Letterman's take...

[ToFlyy]

o man i read that when the aol sign on screen came up and i about sh*t! lol i cant believe the VP of all people shot some one! haha crazy people

[V8403]

WTF ?? !! Does the Vice pres not know the rules of hunting ? Know where your hunting partners are before you shoot??. and did his hunting partner have on a vest ? the white house is keeping quiet on the matter. they waited 24 hrs before they released the information of the shooting.

[CplCJ]

WTF ?? !! Does the Vice pres not know the rules of hunting ? Know where your hunting partners are before you shoot??. and did his hunting partner have on a vest ? the white house is keeping quiet on the matter. they waited 24 hrs before they released the information of the shooting.CNN says the guy came up unannounced, just as Cheney was getting ready to shoot. Shot in the face at 30 yds with a shotgun. That will ruin your day!

[SSG_Bolles]

that was crazy i almost sh*t too

[CplCJ]

The "victim" is 78 years old. What the heck is he doing out in the bush(no puns, please) in the first place? (I sure hope he did not drive out there!)

[ToFlyy]

well now hes 78 with a few holes in em! if you ask me any one over 70 shouldnt be able to go hunting with the whole loss of hearing and vision

i know that varies from person to person but man u have to have good hearing to hear people or the animals

[jarvisa]

Yeah I read this yesterday and about died. Do you think he will be charged with anything for doing this??? I doubt it had it been one of us we would be.

[innersanctum]

No, it was accident. I knew a guy that did something similar (though not as bad) when hunting rabbits. He will just have to live with himself for shooting an innocent Republican.

[CplCJ]

There may not be anymore donations from that guy, either!

[SSG_Bolles]

i know right can we say oops

[CplCJ]

CNN says he is in good spirits and joking. Superficial at best wounds. I supposed he is just darn lucky that he was not closer. A closer shot in the face would have surely killed him. At 30 yards, the oomph is all but gone for a shotgun, if the choke is open, right? For quail hunting, wouldn't you need it wide open, for a better chance at hitting them?

[SSG_Bolles]

i would not know i have never actually been quail hunting

[jarvisa]

Yeah my cousin accidentally shot and killed his best friend at my house, they were hunting in the woods behind my house. He just ended up with neglegent homocide but because the family of the boy he shot knew it was an accident they went to court for my cousin he didnt have to serve any jail time but he does have to live with it the rest of his life.

[CplCJ]

That would Lewinski.

[V8403]

Vice Prez's Given a warning ticket for not having a hunting stamp. anyone else would have been given a fine.

[ToFlyy]

but remember hes the government they can do "whatever they want"

bs...

[V8403]

Both Men made mistakes, the man shot was walking back to hunting party with sun at his back. Vice pres failed to keep tract of where all other hunters were, are two of the BIG NO'S of hunting.

And now the Sh++ is starting to hit the fan at the white house for taking so long to inform the public, the Law, the Pres.

[innersanctum]

Both Men made mistakes, the man shot was walking back to hunting party with sun at his back. Vice pres failed to keep tract of where all other hunters were, are two of the BIG NO'S of hunting.

And now the Sh++ is starting to hit the fan at the white house for taking so long to inform the public, the Law, the Pres.

Wow, I didn't expect any fallout from this...I just thought it was funny that Cheney shot a man while serving as the VP.

[CplCJ]

You know the Dems will be ALL over it. Dean already hates Cheney for the Libby thing.

[CplCJ]

That would be Fragging.

[SSG_Bolles]

what??:confused:

[CplCJ]

Fragging is a term that was used a lot in Vietnam. A junior troop would take out a superior by shooting him in the back or blowing him up with a grenade. Not cool.

[SSG_Bolles]

oh i got ya and i did not mean it that way i was just joking

[CplCJ]

It was a pretty bold statement.

[SSG_Bolles]

can you go ahead and delete it then

[CplCJ]

If you wish.

[SSG_Bolles]

go ahead

[CplCJ]

Are you sure you don't want to change your mind?

[Dakota_kid]

I heard about it this morning (haven't been watching TV much). The thing that irritates me is those people whining about the white house taking 24hours to notify the public of this accident. Geeze people it was a freaking accident, I am sure their minds were more on making sure the poor guy was ok, than notifying the public. Give me a damn break. It wasn't an emergency situation. 24 hours people, you should consider that pretty damn fast instead of bitching about it.

Hunting accidents happen all the time no matter how well you are skilled/trained. You can follow every rule in the book but accidents can and will happen. They are doing an investigation and I am sure they will not file charges as it was an accident and there was no criminal intent involved.

boy, that almost exactally what I would have said...

[innersanctum]

boy, that almost exactally what I would have said...

Accidents happen. Agreed but he was hunting illegally because he didn't have a $7 quail stamp. Here in Illinois, it is a federal offense (though a misdemeanor) to hunt without that stamp.

[CplCJ]

Accidents happen. Agreed but he was hunting illegally because he didn't have a $7 quail stamp. Here in Illinois, it is a federal offense (though a misdemeanor) to hunt without that stamp.Misdemeanors are only one step under a felony. Still quite serious. Summary offense, misdemeanor, felony. You would think that the Vice President, no, anyone who is an avid hunter as he is claimed to be, would know you need that stamp.

[innersanctum]

Yes, they were but I am a hunter and that stamp is a federal stamp not state. I think you can only get an exemption from buying that stamp if you own the land. Federal law...not state. He was hunting illegal and committed a federal crime, misdemeanor or not.

I won't be one of those idiots that says that King George and Big Dick should be removed from office, just don't let them run amuck for the next two years.

[CplCJ]

Being that I am from Texas, the most they will do is fine you in most cases, if they do at all. What I am trying to say is he is not getting "special" treatment. And of course Misdemeanors are one step under a felony. There are only two types of crimes either a misdemeanor or a felony. Example: Traffic Ticket = misdemeanor Murder = Felony. BTW hunting laws in Texas can be confusing and they like to change them on a whim. Weren't they hunting on private property?
Traffic ticket is a midemeanor in Texas? Remind me to avoid that state like the plague. It is a summary offense here in the center of the universe. They only stay on your record if you do not get a zillion of them. I had like 4 speeding tickets, and 7 or 8 points on my license when I was younger. I had to take a class and everything to get 2 off. Then I had to go so many years without to "earn" back my clear record. And yes, it was private property.

[innersanctum]

the owner of the property is the only one that is exempt. Not guests.

[innersanctum]

I am going to stop being a armchair game warden. I am going to speak to my local game warden and also going to call a game warden in Texas. I find it hard to believe that a required federal stamp is not required to be used in Texas. But for now, I will consider that you are correct and I am wrong until I speak with someone that tells me differently.

[CplCJ]

PA has the same private property thing here. If you are a guest on a private property, you can hunt or fish your butts off.

[innersanctum]

Great, now I have to call a game warden PA. Geesh, guys, like I don't have enough to do today!

[innersanctum]

Texas....Bridget, you are wrong and right.

If you are fishing on private waters, as a guest, you are not required to have a fishing license.

If you are hunting, no matter what, everyone is required to have a license. If you are hunting birds, you are required by state law to have the stamp. However, I was wrong about the stamp being a federal stamp. It is a state stamp and a state law.

I got this information from the Carrol who works out of the Brownwood, TX Game Warden's office. The number for that office is 325-646-0440.

PA....It was easier finding the information there. You are required to have a license at the minimum to hunt there regardless of where you are hunting

http://www.pgc.state.pa.us/pgc/cwp/view.asp?a=511&q=158980

A valid license is required to legally hunt, trap, take or kill wildlife in Pennsylvania. Licenses are valid from July 1 through the following June 30. Hunting and furtaker licenses must be signed in ink and displayed on the middle of the back. License fees are non-refundable; licenses are non-transferable.


To qualify for a resident license, applicants must be domiciled in Pennsylvania at least 30 consecutive days prior to application and produce positive proof of residency. A valid Pennsylvania motor vehicle drivers license is the most acceptable form of identification certifying residency. If the applicant has not held a prior license, he or she must successfully complete a Hunter-Trapper Education Course. First-time license buyers must produce a valid Hunter-Trapper Education Card.

For Fishing in PA:

http://sites.state.pa.us/PA_Exec/Fish_Boat/faqlice.htm#1

1. Do I need a license to fish in Pennsylvania?

Yes. A current Pennsylvania fishing license, signed in ink and displayed (attach to a hat or outer garment), is required of persons age 16 and over to fish or angle for any species of fish. A license is also needed to take fishbait or baitfish. Casting and/or retrieving whether by rod, reel and line, or by handline, for oneself or another person, requires a current license unless specifically exempted by law.

Licenses are not needed on Fish for Free days, see Question 9 for more about fish for free days, all other fishing regulations still apply on fish for free days...

[jarvisa]

Do you need a license if you are active duty, I heard that once that you didnt not need a hunting license if you were active?

[innersanctum]

When I was in NC, I hunted deer and I was required to have a hunting license, deer permit and hunter's safety course. This was while I was stationed at Cherry Point back in '96.

[CplCJ]

I am wondering if the private property thing is in play, like Bridget said. My reasoning is because he is an avid hunter, so he would most likely know the laws and rules of hunting in Texas. My two cents...(can you tell I am not a hunter?)

[innersanctum]

No, I specifically asked about that to the lady in TX and she said everyone is required to be licensed, private property or not. Are you going to make me call them in PA as well? I imagine there is wiggle room for fishing but hunting...I just don't see it happening.

[CplCJ]

If you want you can. Actually, if you are so inclined, go for it, so we all know.

[innersanctum]

I am right. you are required to have a PA hunting license even if you are a guest on private property. You are also required to have a hunting license if you are hunting on private property even if you own it. there is no leeway on fishing. If you are fishing anywhere, you required to be licensed. There is no exemption for private property in PA. Migratory bird stamps are also required.

I called Pam from Wildlife Management at 717-787-5529 who relayed that information to me.

[CplCJ]

A buddy just made a good point to me. He said with hunting, it makes sense to mandate a license. It has something to do with the animal population. I suppose the same for fishing.

[jarvisa]

Bridget,
Maybe that is what I heard instead of just being allowed to hunt you actually still have to apply for a license but there is no cost.

[innersanctum]

My turn, my turn.

Your information is correct Bridget. However, as it states, it only applies to the actual owner of the property and their immediate families residing on that property. It doesn't exempt guests as Delores from the Fishing Commission explained to me (717-705-7800). Also, if the said fishing area is not wholly located within the boundaries of the property, the landowner is required to have a license. This would be required, say if you owned land and the property had a creek or small waterway running through it that extended to another landowner's property. If you fish in that, you are required to be licensed regardless of whether or not you are on your property or not.

My advice is to pay for the license in all cases. It helps the Department of Natural Resources with their projects with the money collected and you don't have to worry about whether you are legal or not. Licenses aren't that much money and if you take you should be giving back (take meaning taking fish and other animals from the environment and giving back by paying to do so. I know Illinois actually uses some of that money to replenish the animal populations at hatcheries and repopulation facilities).

[CplCJ]

Maybe I should buy a lake!

[innersanctum]

Maybe I should buy a lake!
do you understand the that you are willing to buy a lake that could cost between 5-6-maybe 7 figures in order not buy a $10 license?

[CplCJ]

Perhaps I should have just greened out my statement. I have a brand new rod and reel that is 4 years old and never strung. I fish a lot...

[innersanctum]

I just can't find the right color green! *L*

[CplCJ]

I just can't find the right color green! *L*Still implied...

[CplCJ]

Heck no I am not going to pay for a license if I own a privately owned stock pond. I know how much it costs to stock that damn pond. And how much it costs to create a pond. The state didn't pay me to stock it, money came out of my pocket, so why would I pay the State to catch the fish I paid for already? I am sure that is why that exemption is in place. You own the fish, and all the hassles that come along with owning a stock pond. Just like cattle you own the cattle and do not need a license to kill it so you can cook the meat for your family. It's called being a rancher or farmer.

That's why I can see there being a hunting license requirement now. You don't own the wildlife.But if your state or county has the law, then you are breaking it by fishing your own pond catching fish you own. So then you lobby to get it changed. If Cheney broke the law, he should get fined.

[CplCJ]

$25-$250-who cares. He should get it and have to pay it for breaking the law.