South Dakota abortion law

[Green Man]

South Dakota just passed a law making it illegal to get an abortion (even in the case of rape or incest) unless the mother's health is in danger. What is this going to mean for Roe vs. Wade?

[CplCJ]

I think it will continue at the State level.

[innersanctum]

I think it will be challenged at the state level and then appealed to the federal level where it will be the biggest case to hit the judicial system in 35 years.

[Green Man]

yeah, we will be hearing about this at the national level in what? about 3 or 4 years? does that sound about right?

[Dakota_kid]

my thoughts on this bill: HALELUIAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im so proud of my govenor for signing this bill into law, from what I understand other Govenors at the National Govenors conference told him that if he signed it, they would follow suit....I dont know which ones but that was what I was told.

I personally am against abortion because I cant comprehend the murder of Inocent Children,

and I do believe that they arent fetuses they are Children from conception onward.(wont go to much farther for fear of turning this into a religious descusion....)

I will say that Im glad some one has taken a stand for what is right.(although he said that if it comes down to it he wont fight for the bill....I will though..)


o and oddly enough and it shocked me alot...the person that sponsored this bill is a democrat:eek:

[CplCJ]

o and oddly enough and it shocked me alot...the person that sponsored this bill is a democrat:eek:

That is a shocker!

[innersanctum]

believe me when I say this, it was a democrat because he wanted to get it shot down, not because he believes it's right. It will be interesting to see how this plays out over the coming weeks, months, or years to eventually resolve the issue.

[Green Man]

yeah, this is certainly a hot button issue that is going nowhere. As a country we will be arguing this for the next 100 years

[CplCJ]

As long as there are options, it will get argued until time ends. It will go on and on and on and on and on and on and....

[Dakota_kid]

Did anyone see that South Dakota passed a law making abortion illegal in all cases except when the mother's welfare is in jeopardy.

This is a result of Alito and Roberts being appointed to the Supreme Court. It will be challenged I am sure and they will be required to make a ruling at the Supreme Court in regards to Roe v. Wade. They may take away the woman's right to choose when it's all said and done.

My feelings on abortion is that I don't like it and think that it should be against the law. However, not being a women doesn't really give me a say in the matter, at least that is what I have been told from many women that I have spoken to on this subject.

Way to go George! You may have taken away the women's right to choose by your nominations. Congress, you are by far not off the hook. By allowing nominees that have been so far right onto the Supreme Court, you share in this mess.
I quoted this from the other thread......

how can they say that it is a womans right to choose and stuff like "I can do what I want with my own body" when the baby inside them isnt part of thier body? it is a body of its own.

[jarvisa]

I for one do not believe in abortion only when there is danger and I am still not even sure then. If someone is ment to die in child birth that is what was ment to happen. I do however think that some people should not be allowed to have more children. If they are unable to take care of the ones that they have then they should not be allowed to have anymore. The world is so ironic that we have people that are dying to have a child of their own and others who can have them but think that abortion is just another form of birth control. I wonder sometimes why things work out this way.

[Green Man]

that's a sticky issue though... if a person has 6 kids and is on welfare common sense says for that person to get sterilized. But you can't force it on people. That's mutilation. Just ask Hitler

[CplCJ]

Very sticky.

[jarvisa]

I know, I know but there should be some sort of consequence. Trust me I know I have a sister with 3 kids and she cant even afford one of them, she and I go round and round all the time about doing what is right. Instead she says that she may have a fourth, I tell her why the heck not I will just end up paying for them with my tax dollars. I dont think she likes that too much.

[CplCJ]

Like it or not, you are paying for them. Me too.

[Green Man]

I agree as well, I don't particularly like paying for other people to have kids. I just simply do not know the answer to this particular issue. I don't know if there really is an answer.

[CplCJ]

I don't think there is an answer, either. I can see parts of both sides of that issue.

[Dakota_kid]

one more thing I've seen
The Argus Leader(big newspaper 'round here)
has given the out of staters a chance to give thier opinion of the ban,

overwhelmingly they are all against it and are all bashing the men that voted it in

I quote one "if it were men that had to carry a baby for nine months would the ban have been voted in? I think not"

what they dont know are the facts,
it was a WOMAN that was the main sponser of the bill,
of the 13 women in the House 11 voted yes on the ban,
of the 3 in the house 1 voted yes,

seems that women wern't against the bill.....(the ones in the congress)

[innersanctum]

Stupid statement by anyone to say that if they had been men or women they would have voted any other way. they vote their party's agenda and if they don't, then they don't represent their party much longer. They don't just vote on a whim. They vote what they have always believed in. It is the people that put them there. Exactly why you need to know who you are voting for when you elect people into office.

[MadMax]

Well I can see that the topics haven't gotten any less controversial. I'm a conservative so I'm anti-abortion, but as Steve and CJ mention, there are many circumstances. Abortion as birth control shouldn't be allowed.

[Green Man]

But what if you were a woman that forgot to take her pill one day? Say that her and her husband don't want to be pregnant yet, so she goes out and gets one of those day after pills because she had forgotten to take her regular pill that day. Is it right that our government can tell that woman she cannot get one of those pills the day after she forgot her regular birth control? Who has the right to tell that husband and wife that they have to carry the child to term if they conceived on the day the woman forgot her pill?

[Green Man]

More importantly though, this is a privacy issue. That would be her business, not mine.

[MadMax]

Again... there are circumstances that may warrant, however, just as the government can can remove any other drug from the market, they can remove this one. It just depends on how liberal you are to allow it. An ultra liberal would allow for over the counter narcotics just because they feel bad for the recovering junkie. I realize that this doesn't go that far, but it certainly becomes an issue of what side you are going to take. Not necessarily what side you believe in completely, but what side you are going to take. I pick anti.

[Green Man]

But what do you say to people who believe that life starts as soon as the sperm meets the egg? In the case of my hypothetical married couple, they would be commiting abortion. If the egg is implanted and is on the way to the womb, who are we to say that it is different from 20 days into the pregnancy when the quickening (movement) hasn't happened yet? All moral issues aside, if there is money to be made from the morning after pill, it will stay on the market. If not, you can bet that a regular person can get it pretty easily if they want to. But the ironic thing is that another pill is not needed. There is another solution if you miss a day on the birth control pill.

[Green Man]

All that a woman has to do is take like 2 or 3 birth control pills at the same time and it has the same effect that a morning after pill does. So, even if abortion is illegal, a woman would still at least have a choice.

We're kind of going off topic here though, I'm sorry. I kind of started that. As I stated previously, if there is money to be made be the pharmaceutical industry, try and have a law passed and upheld. It's not going to work. Big money rules this country and has for a long time

[CplCJ]

Abstinence.
Education.
Simple answers to birth control.

[innersanctum]

As I have said before, I don't believe in abortion. I also believe that it's the woman's right. I would like to have a say in the decision but in the end, the woman has the final decision. So I find it funny that the men of this site are arguing the issue more than the women.

You know what is ironic about this....If I go to the doctor, at least with my current doctor and want to have a vasectomy, I have to have my wife's consent to have it. What about my body? My decision.

[MadMax]

That's right, Steve. I had to have my wife's approval when I got mine done. I never thought about that. Abortion tends to be a pretty sensitive issue no matter who talking. Either way, I've stated my piece.

[jarvisa]

I dont think the morning after pill should have every been invented in the 1st place people need to be responsible for their actions and live with the consequences. They could alwasy put the unwanted child up for adoption I know there are plenty of people that want children but cant have them.

[MadMax]

I dont think the morning after pill should have every been invented in the 1st place people need to be responsible for their actions and live with the consequences. They could alwasy put the unwanted child up for adoption I know there are plenty of people that want children but cant have them.

Here here! Well said.

[CplCJ]

WooHoo! Best advice yet!

[MadMax]

Abstinence.
Education.
Simple answers to birth control.

As was yours!