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[V8403]

Since I live in Monmouth, and my Son lives in the southern part of Illinois,
and since he has had a bad year in school, lots of trbl, and fights in school, his mother has now decided to home school him, but she does not even have a GED or an equiv. but thanks to our great state of Illinois, law makers she has the right and the certification to do just that.

According to Illinois Annotated Code section 26-16

Teacher Certification: Only public school teachers must me certified according to section 21-1

Standardized Testing: not required

State recoqnition of your program: Not required

All the parent has to do is file a paper with the Regional School Office stating the program they will follow (subjects, Math, Language arts, Scocial Studidies, fine arts, health, PE,) and that is all .
there is no follow up of any type,

so if the child gets an education it is fine the state would never know for they never follow up, Illinois has very weak Laws when it comes to Home Schooling. if you have any coment on this please let me know.

[ToFlyy]

I would fight for custody V8. Get him moved in with you and try a school out by you if that doesnt work then you home school him.

Right now it sounds like hes going to get a free ride to no where through high school

[1marineslady]

Ok well since she does not have a GED or Equiv she is not able to home school him. For homeschooling she or whomever has to have some sort of high school diploma. If the state of Illinois says she doesn't. The other thing you can do is call the schoolboard or the superintendent of the schools where he lives and see if he can help and tell them that there is a problem. There are also other ways of getting him a good education. I personally am against Home Schooling. Cause I think kids no matter what should be with other kids. Other wise how are they suppose to get a good job working with other people.

[CplCJ]

Home Schooling. I have some thoughts about that, since my wife is a teacher in the public school system. We have a lot of people in our church that home school thier kids, and they are perfectly normal and good kids. They are well behaved, and all that. As for not getting to be with other kids, that is not an issue. They get plenty of time with other kids thier age, in church, and in the sports they choose to do. They get to play on the local school's teams, even without going to that school physically.
Pros to home schooling: Many. Less sick time for kids, esp. the younger ones. More time with your kids, for the one that stay home to do it. These are just a couple off the top of my head.

Should the minimum req's be at least a High School Education or equivilant, most definatley.

[MadMax]

Personally, I don't think you should be able to do a job that you're not qualified to do. In the case of homeschooling, the risk is great that the child will be harmed in one way or another. I agree with the benefits that CJ spoke of, but the downside is that you need to work from a base of knowledge that's greater than the students. I think that the mother will surprised with the amount of work that it's going to take. Control is going to be another issue. If their fighting now, why does she think that she can control him for 6-8 hours a day in a classroom setting?

[Green Man]

Yeah bishop, this doesn't sound like an ideal situation. I agree that home schooling CAN be a good thing, but not necessarily. If the mother is keeping the child for home schooling simply to avoid disciplinary problems, that seems like the wrong reason for home schooling. Not knowing all of the information behind the situation, I just hope that the kid will be alright in the end.

[MadMax]

The sad thing is that many parents make rash decisions about their kids schooling and the kids are the only one's that pay for it. Home schooling is essentially a full time job plus about twenty hours. As a teacher I can assure you that it takes about one and a half times the amount of class time to prepare for it. There is a lot of work there.

[jarvisa]

If discipline is the problem maybe he just needs to move in with Dad, I am sure V8 can straighten him out if given enough time. This is how my husband and I ended up with guardian ship of my nephew. He was 15 acting up in school, his dad unfortunatly was in Mexico and hadnt been around his whole life so his mom sent him to live with his uncle (my husband) we were in the Marines at the time and trust me it was no picnic for him at all my husband treated him like a recruit. He got it together by the time he graduated and decided to join the Army.

[MadMax]

That doesn't sound like you got him straightened out at all, Amy. The Army?

Anyway, discipling is achieved that way when you're old enough to understand it. The dominating drill instructor attitude tends to drive a wedge the size of Texas between the two parties in question. Trust me. My dad tried that on me for about five years.

[jarvisa]

It works for some and not other and yes we were very disappointed when he chose the Army instead of the Marines but he still went infantry and was getting ready to get promoted to E-6 before everything happened and had only been in 5 years. So I told him all the time he would of made a heck of a Marine. Some kids like my nephew just need direction and that is what my hubby gave him, we played good cop bad cop, I was the good cop.

[Green Man]

his mother has now decided to home school him, but she does not even have a GED or an equiv. but thanks to our great state of Illinois, law makers she has the right and the certification to do just that.

According to Illinois Annotated Code section 26-16

Teacher Certification: Only public school teachers must me certified according to section 21-1

Standardized Testing: not required

State recoqnition of your program: Not required

All the parent has to do is file a paper with the Regional School Office stating the program they will follow (subjects, Math, Language arts, Scocial Studidies, fine arts, health, PE,) and that is all .


Considering I live in the "great" state of Illinois, and have for my entire life, this statute really bothers me. And Illinois is SUPPOSED to be one of the better states when it comes to education, at least as far as accountability. This is just complete crap.

[MadMax]

It works for some and not other and yes we were very disappointed when he chose the Army instead of the Marines but he still went infantry and was getting ready to get promoted to E-6 before everything happened and had only been in 5 years. So I told him all the time he would of made a heck of a Marine. Some kids like my nephew just need direction and that is what my hubby gave him, we played good cop bad cop, I was the good cop.

This was the same nephew that got killed in Iraq? I didn't know you helped raise him too. Wow, you were pretty close to him then. That's terrible that it happened to someone so dear to you. Sorry to bring up the topic.

[CplCJ]

This was the same nephew that got killed in Iraq? I didn't know you helped raise him too. Wow, you were pretty close to him then. That's terrible that it happened to someone so dear to you. Sorry to bring up the topic.I didn't either. Was he home schooled, too?

[MadMax]

I don't think he was CJ. We got on this topic because of how difficult it is to control child when homeschooling.

[jarvisa]

Yes we did get off topic, sometimes homeschooling is better than the alternative, inner city school but like CJ said I think it depends on the situation and the child. And yes I was raising a 15 year old at the ripe old age of 21. Maybe there is a military school in the area I have heard that these really help troubled teens, even if they are not at fault but at least the other kids around are more disciplined.

[CplCJ]

I do not see how it would be any harder than raising them anyway. You teach them how to tie thier shoes. Why would it be harder to control them teaching them to read? You are oging to do that aanyway. You are going to help them with thier homework anyway. I do not see that last point.

[V8403]

The Boy is 16 years of age. he has had many problems in school this year as in years past with discipline, someone says the wrong thing and he is throwing punches, and his mother thinks it is just fine. I have tried to talk to them and to the mother as calm as I can but to no avail. and now she is taking me to court on the 31 st of this month. she will not be represented by an Attorney by the way the papers were written and sent to me, I have an Attorney and he is one of the best in town little does she know.
BACK TO THE POINT
The child while in a public school required an IEP and now that he is being home schooled there is no Illinois law requiring any parent to accept such services.
Compulosary Attendance Ages in Illinois Between 7 and 17 years of age.
One of the largest problems he has is that he had two other step fathers one of which beat women,drank,used language that even a drunk sailor would not think of using. so the way he was brought up is very much in question.
And now the boy use's the same type of language all the time.
I believe all or most of his problems are due to his envirement

[CplCJ]

Best of luck to you, John.

[V8403]

MY Attorney has taken care of every thing . so all is well for the present time. no court time involved PTL

[CplCJ]

Well done!

[Dakota_kid]

Since I live in Monmouth, and my Son lives in the southern part of Illinois,
and since he has had a bad year in school, lots of trbl, and fights in school, his mother has now decided to home school him, but she does not even have a GED or an equiv. but thanks to our great state of Illinois, law makers she has the right and the certification to do just that.

According to Illinois Annotated Code section 26-16

Teacher Certification: Only public school teachers must me certified according to section 21-1

Standardized Testing: not required

State recoqnition of your program: Not required

All the parent has to do is file a paper with the Regional School Office stating the program they will follow (subjects, Math, Language arts, Scocial Studidies, fine arts, health, PE,) and that is all .
there is no follow up of any type,

so if the child gets an education it is fine the state would never know for they never follow up, Illinois has very weak Laws when it comes to Home Schooling. if you have any coment on this please let me know.

Im homeschooled too,
I would agree with her decision to homeschool,
it will keep him out of trouble(for the most part)

Illinoise actually has more requirements than SD does,
my folks have to send in a request to homeschool their kids every year(which is strange because the School Board cant deny the app without proof of negligence) and thats it, we have to take the Stanford Achievement Test(2,5 8th and 11th Grade).
and thats it,

does the State NEED to know? as long as your son does well with the education that his mother gives him(and there are MANY curiculums for Homeschoolers that surpass the State's programs.)

[CplCJ]

I think the problem there, Jon,(DK) is that his ex is not really qualified to do home schooling. The argument here is not against homeschooling per se, but that she is not qualified to do it. Am I right on that, John?(V8)

[V8403]

true very true

[Dakota_kid]

I think the problem there, Jon,(DK) is that his ex is not really qualified to do home schooling. The argument here is not against homeschooling per se, but that she is not qualified to do it. Am I right on that, John?(V8)


by qualified you mean has a degree?

I know MANY homeschooling parents that havn't been to college even,
they have some of the smartest kids(and while that may not always be "book smart" they have a better practical knowedge of most things than most public schoolers do) I've ever seen.

of course, ever situation is different so I cant say that homeschooling is the best for your son...

some Q's I would ask,
1, does your son like learning(even if it is just things that interest him)
2, can he teach himself? (my Mom...aka teacher has pretty much left the learning up to me. IE gives me the assignments, and I do them, If I cant figure it out, then I go to her or Dad, if they arent sure, we go over the book(IE for Algebra 2 or Jensens Grammar) together and then both of us learn it.

so it depends on your ex-wife,
if she is going to let him sit around and not do the school assignments and still say that he is doing them to the school board, then he shouldnt be homeschooled,
however, if she tells him "you arent graduating until you do these assignments" then whether she has a masters in education or no college education at all wont matter, he will learn better(and I speak from personal experience because my mom used to have us sit at the table(desk) and teach us like they do in public school) if he teaches himself, than if he sits at a desk .


this is my opinion, and what I've found to work every kid is different, I can run PC's better than friends of mine while they can break horses better than me......what I mean is, every child has a different way they learn/do things the best. which is why (most times) public school doesnt work, they want everyone to learn everything the same way at the same time.(off topic sry....)

[CplCJ]

You seem wise beyond your years, Jon. A good head on your shoulders will help you out in the real world.

[Dakota_kid]

(which was accelerated, I often got bored in school because they were not going fast enough). What happens is the teacher gives you the assignments and you teach yourself at your own pace, they are there if you have questions or problems.


off topic:were you labeled ADD?
I know a guy who's kids get their school work done faster than the rest of their class, and then wiggle around etc waiting for everone else...instead of being sent to a higher class/given more work the school tried to put them on Ridilan(SP?)

the Bold part:that is the way kids learn the best, at their own pace,
I didnt learn to write in Cursive until a year or so after my public schooled friends did, because I wasnt ready to(kinda a small thing I know).


CJ, thank you for the compliment...

you just reminded me of something(the wise beyond your years part) a girl told me a while ago, I was at a Airsoft(airsoft=cheap alternative to paintball) war at a friend of mine's friends house where his sister had some friends over, one of them wanted to know how old I was and didnt believe me when I said 18....since I wasnt being loud, and ummm, I guess the only way to put it is public schooled...lol
she said "you act like you are 30"
so for the rest of the night I was "30 yr old man" to them.......

[CplCJ]

I am going to start a thread on AD&D so we can maybe discuss that.

[V8403]

Just found out that the mother has decided to re-enter my son in the public school system/ says he is getting on her nervs, and at the request of a shrink my son needs more interaction with other children his age and some anger managment before he ends up behind bars. all this was explained to him by his dr. so as of the 19 th of this month he starts back.

[MadMax]

Thank goodness. At least she doesn't have him home anymore. Is he going to go to anger management also?

[V8403]

I think so or I hope he will

[MadMax]

Me too. At least that will help him deal with problems rather than blow them out of proportion because he's emotional.