Lies about the War

[usmc_hopeful4]

So many people now days say we are over there for oil. I think they are F.O.S. If this statment is true find me prrof we are moving oil from Iraq to the U.S.. I am just sick and tired of people lying to appose this war. I say support the fine men and women over there doing what they do best. Protecting America! So what do you think of these aligations about oil being moved from Iraq to the U.S.

[Trapper]

So many people now days say we are over there for oil. I think they are F.O.S. If this statment is true find me prrof we are moving oil from Iraq to the U.S.. I am just sick and tired of people lying to appose this war. I say support the fine men and women over there doing what they do best. Protecting America! So what do you think of these aligations about oil being moved from Iraq to the U.S.Well, there are plenty of people that think that sure. There are also plenty that would challenge you to prove it is not for that reason. What do you have to back you that it is not for oil? Playing the advocate here...

[nightwolf]

Well for starters if the Coalition is there for Oil then why the hell are Gas prices still so high?

[innersanctum]

Welcome to politics. There is a good chance that the oil industry is doing so well because we were led into a war by a president with deep roots in the oil industry. When he came into office, a barrel of oil was selling for $17/barrel. Today, a barrel of oil is coming in at nearly $90/barrel. Someone is making a profit on that right? Doesn't it stand to reason that it doesn't cost an oil producer 500% more to make a barrel of oil today than it did 7-8 years ago?

We technically control the 2nd largest oil supply in the world in Iraq, yet we aren't benefiting from any of it....or are we? Are the oil companies actually benefiting from the high oil prices? Probably. But what about you and I? Probably not. Oil has a very invested interest in our everyday lives. Everything we do is based off an oil field somewhere. Even in the market of alternative energy.

If we aren't there to benefit from the oil in Iraq, where will the US recoup the $12 billion/month we spend there?

[nightwolf]

That's an Interesting point... I wonder how much the Saudi's are making then?
I'm afraid you have me stumped on that hypothetical there...

[epmosich]

dang this conversation got really technical...

[hankhoffman]

Americans only know what they want us to know about how the Oil world works. I an sure of one thing, someone is getting rich and it is not me!!!!

[SkiSki]

Who cares why we are fighting this war ... I just wish I was there, and I'm too damn old to get back in the Corps! I've sent a resume to Blackwater and they haven't responded yet. Any suggestions as to how I can get there with a decent, squared away group?

[Joe_Evans]

I wish ppl would get together like in ww2 everyone pretty much supported the war and helped as much as they could

i feel that if everyone would quit +++++in and suck it up and put more effort towards the war we would be outta there alot faster than without the effort

[V8403]

Don't people know that Hussein and Osama what's his name were best friends? Remember that picture of them??? Oh wait that was Rumsfeld shaking his hand after selling him some missles. Just watch Fox like me to get smart.

and now I will close this comment with this prayer..

FDR Prayer while at War.

" My Fellow Americans: Last night, when I spoke with you about the fall of Rome, I knew at that moment that troops of the United States and our Allies were crossing the Channel in another and greater operation. It has come to pass with success thus far. And so, in this poignant hour, I ask you to join with me in prayer: Almighty God: Our sons, pride of our nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith. They will need Thy blessings. Their road will be long and hard. For the enemy is strong. He may hurl back our forces. Success may not come with rushing speed, but we shall return again and again; and we know that by Thy grace, and by the righteousness of our cause, our sons will triumph. They will be sore tried, by night and by day, without rest -- until the victory is won. The darkness will be rent by noise and flame. Men's souls will be shaken with the violences of war. For these men are lately drawn from the ways of peace. They fight not for the lust of conquest. They fight to end conquest. They fight to liberate. They fight to let justice arise, and tolerance and goodwill among all Thy people. They yearn but for the end of battle, for their return to the haven of home. Some will never return. Embrace these, Father, and receive them, Thy heroic servants, into Thy kingdom. And for us at home -- fathers, mothers, children, wives, sisters, and brothers of brave men overseas, whose thoughts and prayers are ever with them -- help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice. Many people have urged that I call the nation into a single day of special prayer. But because the road is long and the desire is great, I ask that our people devote themselves in a continuance of prayer. As we rise to each new day, and again when each day is spent, let words of prayer be on our lips, invoking Thy help to our efforts. Give us strength, too -- strength in our daily tasks, to redouble the contributions we make in the physical and the material support of our armed forces. And let our hearts be stout, to wait out the long travail, to bear sorrows that may come, to impart our courage unto our sons wheresoever they may be. And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee; faith in our sons; faith in each other; faith in our united crusade. Let not the keeness of our spirit ever be dulled. Let not the impacts of temporary events, of temporal matters of but fleeting moment -- let not these deter us in our unconquerable purpose. With Thy blessing, we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogances. Lead us to the saving of our country, and with our sister nations into a world unity that will spell a sure peace -- a peace invulnerable to the schemings of unworthy men. And a peace that will let all of men live in freedom, reaping the just rewards of their honest toil. Thy will be done, Almighty God.
Amen.

Franklin D. Roosevelt - June 6, 1944 "

[innersanctum]

A more recent speech by our current President would include 20 sentences with the word terrorist(s), several to al Qaeda, a few bin Ladens, reference to National Security, throw in a WTC and 9/11 and he gets more support for the war.

What a boob!

[RVHall]

Just watch Fox like me to get smart.

Although the myth is that we lost the Vietnam War, we know that the '68 Tet was decisive, militarily, in our favor. Cronkite, as famous and well thought of as he was, without a military perspective just got it flat wrong, and the political tide turned. They beat us strategically, in public opinion, not militarily.

Same thing is happening now. Don't get me wrong, I wrote all my Senators, Congressman, Pres, and said get Osama in Afghanistan, but Iraq's not our fight. But, we are there so let's kick ass, BUT the politicians are once again losing it with their habitual lying. Of course they want us to be "peacekeepers" and "nation builders" and all that crap. Let's send in the politicians to do that political stuff, and see how they fare.

POINT IS: Europeans now say they now trust Al Jazeera (English) more than Fox. If we ever are in a position that our one country can't kick the whole world's ass, then who will come to our aid? This could develop into a big problem, long term, if integrity doesn't return to Washington.

Just the opinion of an Okie country boy.

[lima33doc]

Although the myth is that we lost the Vietnam War, we know that the '68 Tet was decisive, militarily, in our favor. Cronkite, as famous and well thought of as he was, without a military perspective just got it flat wrong, and the political tide turned. They beat us strategically, in public opinion, not militarily.

Same thing is happening now. Don't get me wrong, I wrote all my Senators, Congressman, Pres, and said get Osama in Afghanistan, but Iraq's not our fight. But, we are there so let's kick ass, BUT the politicians are once again losing it with their habitual lying. Of course they want us to be "peacekeepers" and "nation builders" and all that crap. Let's send in the politicians to do that political stuff, and see how they fare.

POINT IS: Europeans now say they now trust Al Jazeera (English) more than Fox. If we ever are in a position that our one country can't kick the whole world's ass, then who will come to our aid? This could develop into a big problem, long term, if integrity doesn't return to Washington.

Just the opinion of an Okie country boy. One of the Vietnamese Generals wrote a book recently and in it he had said that if we had continued to bomb Hanoi that we would have won, but they were able to sway public opinion and win the war that way.

[sanctimommiusUSMC]

Oh, I totally agree!! I *hate* it when people lie about the reasons we are in this war! Its so dishonest and un-American, it just goes against everything our troops are fighting for, and what America stands for. I just wish there could be some way to punish the biggest liars, you know?

Like.......impeachment. :D

[gunga55]

Like I have stated before all wars are for one reason and that is $ we fought Japan for Oil in WWII you don't here anybody +++++ing about that We fought Spain and Mexico for monatary reasons hey even the Revolution was about $$$$$