Thread: Do you have a gun in the house?
July 4th, 2012, 19:30 #1
Do you have a gun in the house?I got this from my brother and found it interesting. So I'm passing it on.
I tried to check it to see that it's true, but could not find anything on it.
GOOD TO KNOW!
When I had my gallbladder taken out, I spent 10 days in the hospital
for what should have been an overnight stay. I had home nurse visits for
two weeks and was asked if I had guns in the house. I responded that if I
did I would not tell them. So the below has some merit.
FYI, I am passing this along... there are comments from two other
people I have also been asked if we keep guns in the house. The nurse
just kinda slipped it in along with all the other regular questions. I
told her I refused to answer because it was against the law to ask.
Everyone, whether you have guns or not, should give a neutral answer so
they have no idea who does and who doesn't. My doctor asked me if I had
guns in my house and also if any were loaded. I, of course, answered yes
to both questions. Then he asked why I kept a loaded gun close to my bed.
I answered that my son, who is a certified gun instructor and also works
for Homeland Security, advised me that an unloaded, locked up gun is no
protection against criminal attack.
The Government now requires these questions be asked of people on
Medicare, and probably everyone else.
It is either an insurance issue or government intervention. Either way,
it is out there and the second the government gets into your medical
records (as they want to under Obamacare) it will become a major issue
and will ultimately result in the loss of your weapon/s!!
Please pass this on to all the other retired guys and gun owners...
Thanks, from a Vietnam Vet and retired Police Officer: I had a doctors
appointment at the local VA clinic yesterday and found out something very
interesting that I would like to pass along. While going through triage
before seeing the doctor, I was asked at the end of the exam, three
questions: 1. Did I feel stressed? 2. Did I feel threatened? 3. Did I
feel like doing harm to someone?
The nurse then informed me that if I had answered yes to any of the
questions I would have lost my concealed carry permit as it would have
gone into my medical records and the VA would have reported it to
Looks like they are going after the vets first. Other gun people like
retired law enforcement will probably be next. Then when they go after
the civilians, what argument will they have? Be forewarned and be aware.
The Obama administration has gone on record as considering veterans and
gun owners potential terrorists. Whether you are a gun owner, veteran or
not, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED !
If you know veterans and gun owners, please pass this on to them. Be
very cautious about what you say and to whom.
They are coming for us, so unless you're an ostrich, do not stick your
head in the sand..........Micky --- All the great things are simple, and many can be expressed in a single word: freedom; justice; honor; mercy; duty; hope. Sir Winston Churchill
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July 7th, 2012, 10:52 #2
Thanks for the info Mick.Ill not be giving up any info or guns to noone.HM3 John Willey FMF 75-82
July 7th, 2012, 13:23 #3
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after typing in Obamacare and gun control in my web broser I found this
I HOPE IT helps out Mick and Doc. But Still No info about Guns in house to Doc's or to the Va or any one that has no need to know
The Gun Control in ObamaCare
Tuesday, 08 February 2011 12:01
Sections 1501 and 1502 of HR 3590 -- which contain theso-called “individual mandate” -- require Americans to buy government-approvedinsurance and give the government a carte blanche to require that thesepolicies contain requirements like Barack Obama’s oft-stated goal ofcomputerizing medical records in a national database. (Indeed, Fox News reported on March 26, 2010,that under the new federal health care law, our medical records will soon goonline to be available to all doctors.)
This would make it impossible for Americans to keep private,medical information out of the government-controlled medical database that wascreated under Sec. 13001 of the stimulus bill. Once a person’s medical information has been put into the database, thenthe ATF and the FBI will be able to use it to deny law-abiding Americans theirright to purchase firearms -- just like the thousands of military veterans whohave been denied their right to purchase firearms.
The problem with the veterans began in 1999, when under thedirection of the Clinton administration, the Department of Veteran Affairs wasobliged to share certain mental health records with the FBI for the purpose ofadding names to the national instant check system (NICS). People whose names are added to NICS, ofcourse, are not allowed to purchase or possess firearms.
The health records in question had to do with persons the VAhad deemed "mental defectives." Since 1968, persons so adjudicated have been prohibited from possessingfirearms. For decades, the commonunderstating of "metal defective" applied to people found not guiltyof a crime by reason of insanity. In1999, however, the Clinton Justice Department unilaterally decided to greatlyexpand the definition to include the VA's very broad use of the term.
Without notifying the people affected by the decision, theVA turned over the names of 90,000 veterans who "because of injury ordisease lack the mental capacity to contract or manage their ownaffairs." Under the guise of“mental defectiveness,” therefore, many veterans who served their countryhonorably have lost their Second Amendment rights for life because a doctor ora bureaucrat in the VA appointed someone to look over their finances.
Thanks to routine data dumps, the number of veterans whohave lost their gun rights due to common maladies like Post Traumatic StressDisorder (PTSD) has increased to an estimated 150,000. PTSD, incidentally, affects as many as onethird of all combat troops.
These veterans were not convicted of a crime, were not foundto be a danger to anyone, and they were not afforded any meaningful due processof law. They were added to NICS simplyon the basis of the opinion of a government psychiatrist.
To make matters worse, what began under the Clintonadministration as a blatant illegitimate abuse of power was codified by a law,the so-called Veterans Disarmament Act of 2008, signed by President George W.Bush.
If such a travesty of justice was made possible through theVA's national health care system, there is every reason to believe that it willalso occur under Obama’s proposed health care legislation.
Now, we fast forward to the present, where our medicalrecords will go online soon. Is thereany reason to believe that this information won’t also be available to the ATFand the FBI?
We remember how after Joe the Plumber took onthen-Presidential candidate Barack Obama, Joe’s tax records were “mysteriously”discovered and released to the public in an effort to discredit him.
Clearly, once one arm of the federal government has ourmedical records, other arms will gain access, in the same way that the FBI gotthe original veterans’ names (90,000 of them) in 1999.
What about the Second Amendment protections in the bill?
Question: How doesthe above square with SEC. 2716 (2) and (3) of the bill? This section says:
(2) LIMITATION ON DATA COLLECTION.—None of the authoritiesprovided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Actor an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorize or may be usedfor the collection of any information relating to—A) the lawful ownership orpossession of a firearm or ammunition; (B) the lawful use of a firearm orammunition; or (C) the lawful storage of a firearm or ammunition.
(3) LIMITATION ON DATABASES OR DATA BANKS.— None of theauthorities provided to the Secretary under the Patient Protection andAffordable Care Act or an amendment made by that Act shall be construed to authorizeor may be used to maintain records of individual ownership or possession of afirearm or ammunition.
This language appears on the face to prohibit the use of anydata collection with regard to use firearms. Does this section provide adequateprotection for gun owners, and specifically for veterans?
Answer: This language(section 2716) prohibits the use of the federal database for storinginformation about who has a gun (based on questions asked by a physician withrespect to gun ownership).
It does not prohibit the use of the database to determinewho has a psychological “disorder” like ADHD or PTSD. And it does not prohibit the ATF fromtrolling the database for persons with ADHD and PTSD (independent of any issueof gun ownership) -- and sending their names to the FBI’s database ofprohibited persons because they are “mental defectives” (18 U.S.C. 922(g)). HIPAA would not prohibit this “lawenforcement function,” and ObamaCare may significantly broaden the list ofpeople whose determination is an “official” determination similar to the VApsychiatrists who have disarmed 150,000 veterans.
To say that the health care database would never be usedthis way is to ignore history. Who everthought in 1993 -- when the Brady Law was passed -- that the federal governmentwould soon begin denying military veterans their right to own a gun … not forany crimes committed, but because of a psychiatrist’s determination that suchveterans suffered from PTSD?
http://gunowners.org/fs2011a.htmJ.E. Stevens U.S. Navy (Ret)
Believing in honor, courage, and commitment, the United States Marine Corps helps keep our country safe by their steadfast devotion to "God, Corps and Country "
July 8th, 2012, 11:45 #4
Thanks John.It explains some.Im thinking this is a no tell situation.HM3 John Willey FMF 75-82